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CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:38 pm
by Harnas31
What is the diffrence between this two stats ?

CCPF - Its cold cold pre flop - and it means that when I am on CO and raise sombody from BTN cold call me - right ?
Call PFR - what does this mean ? example ?

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:55 am
by WhiteRider
A "cold call" is a call of more than a single bet (i.e. a raise) when you do not already have any money in the pot. So if a player raises in the cutoff and you call from the button that is a cold call.
If you limp from the cutoff and the button raises and you call that is NOT a cold call.

"Call PFR" is when you face any raise and ONLY call preflop - you cannot raise or fold for this to count the hand.

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:21 pm
by Harnas31
So Call PFR means that I have already put some moeny before calling:

1. I limp from CO , button raise preflop - I call
2. I am in BB , button raise - I call

Right ?

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:00 am
by kraada
Right for a cold call you can't have put any money in - including blind money.

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:06 am
by WhiteRider
Harnas31 wrote:So Call PFR means that I have already put some moeny before calling:

1. I limp from CO , button raise preflop - I call
2. I am in BB , button raise - I call

Right ?

Right, but not exclusively - if you cold call that is also a "Call PFR".

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:22 pm
by octopie
I was looking for an answer to a custom statistic made by BadLieutenant, called % Cold Call PreFlop on UTG (PT3, HE, $, 6-max).

The name just baffles me. When i run it, it returns a zero. So i might as well ask here. How can someome cold call under the gun? From the lines above and the columns of that stat, it looks pretty much useless to me. Am i missing something here?

cnt_ccpf_utg:
Code: Select all
sum( if[ holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_ccall and holdem_hand_player_statistics.position = 3,1,0 ] )


cnt_ccpf_opp:
Code: Select all
sum(if[holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_face_raise and holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_p_limp = false and holdem_hand_player_detail.amt_blind=0 and holdem_hand_player_statistics.position = 3,1,0 ] )


the stat:
Code: Select all
( cnt_ccpf_utg / cnt_ccpf_utg_opp ) * 100

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:07 pm
by kraada
You can only cold call in that position in full ring; in 6 max it is not possible.

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:32 am
by octopie
kraada wrote:You can only cold call in that position in full ring; in 6 max it is not possible.

Thanks for the reply, but is there really a difference? I mean, you're first in (UTG), what raise do you want to call, who is raising? I just can't come up with a scenario for that situation by the above definitions of a cold call. Hell, i can only come up with a straddle bet (mississipi) made by someone other than the UTG. But that is allowed only in selected live games.

I quote the statistical reference guide:
A cold call is calling a preflop raise when you don't already have any money or chips invested in the pot, including blinds. You can never cold call from the blinds since you already have money or chips in the pot.

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:37 am
by WhiteRider
Position 3 is not UTG when there are more than 6 players at the table. Position starts with the button as zero and increases so that the cutoff is 1, the hijack is 2, etc.
The BB is always 8 and the SB is always 9.

Re: CCPF vs Call PFR

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:46 am
by octopie
So much i do know. So the above mentioned statistic is useless, alas. At least with its current intended use, based on the description.